Friday, 15 July 2011

Vengeance v Caracal


The hunt:

A small Tusker fleet had formed up to chase down a Lucifer's Hammer fleet spotted in Aeschee. In the end, we never actually caught up with them; they briefly clashed with another corp and then retired from the field.

However, while we tried to pin them down, I noticed a Caracal a belt, and I told the others I was going to take a run at it - I wanted them to know that I would be occupied for the next little while.

I warped in on the Caracal, and landed only a few kilometers away. I quickly pointed the cruiser, and then moved into a wide orbit, opening fire and activating my web.

I had chewed through most of its shields and had taken very little damage in return (I think I was at 75% shields) when I was asked how I was doing. Without thinking, I said "I've got point on it". After all, half the battle for a Vengeance is actually catching something.

About 30 seconds later, several of my corp mates land, and unleash utter hell on the poor Caracal.

2011.07.06 17:07

Victim: Jawls Rohn
Corp: Science and Trade Institute
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Caracal
System: Aeschee
Security: 0.2
Damage Taken: 7090

Involved parties:

Name: Taurean Eltanin
Security: -8.8
Corp: The Tuskers
Alliance: None
Faction: NONE
Ship: Vengeance
Weapon: Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Damage Done: 4426

Name: CannibalCorpseZor (laid the final blow)
Security: -7.2
Corp: The Tuskers
Alliance: None
Faction: NONE
Ship: Machariel
Weapon: 800mm Repeating Artillery II
Damage Done: 1705

Name: Kishin Hattori
Security: -10.0
Corp: The Tuskers
Alliance: None
Faction: NONE
Ship: Vagabond
Weapon: Vagabond
Damage Done: 810

Name: Serpentis Wing Leader / Serpentis Corporation
Damage Done: 149

Destroyed items:

Widowmaker Heavy Missile, Qty: 50
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Qty: 3
'Benefactor' I Ward Reconstructor
Medium Shield Extender I
Small Shield Booster I
Widowmaker Heavy Missile, Qty: 1346 (Cargo)

Dropped items:

Widowmaker Heavy Missile, Qty: 75
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Qty: 2
10MN Afterburner I
Medium Shield Extender I
Small Armor Repairer I
Overdrive Injector System I

I snagged the pod, and asked if anyone would like to try to ransom him. Cannibal told me to pod him, though, and I remembered that my hesitation against the Dram had nearly cost me my ship (see my last post), and I did not want to make that mistake again. Aeschee was absolutely full of hostiles, including at least one battle fleet, and we needed to get back to a safe.

So I podded him. Right before Kishkin told me to wait. Apparently, it is a tradition in the Tuskers to ransom new pilots for a joke, or a song, or something like that. I thoroughly approve of this tradition, but I had been unaware of it before now. Too late for poor Mr Rohn.


This fight was absolutely full of fail on my part, and my lack of gang experience really showed through.

Sure, I found the Caracal, and I made sure that I did not go off without telling the fleet what I was doing. I'm even pretty pleased that I managed to effectively solo the Caracal. After that, though, it goes down hill.

First, my response to the fleet's enquiry was sloppy. When a frigate declares it has point, that's typically the trigger for the fleet to jump in and start dps, so my careless reply was interpreted as a request for backup - which is not terribly surprising given the Caracal is a renowned frigate killer. The fleet could not know I was soloing the cruiser because I did not tell them.

I feel quite bad for the Caracal pilot. Losing ships is part of low sec, but to be stomped on quite so hard (we dropped a frakking battleship on his head) is pretty discouraging. For his sake, as well as bragging rights, of course, I would have preferred to keep the fight just between us.

I compounded my error by being over hasty on the pod kill. Tuskers have no clear chains of command; each Tusker has to be able to operate completely independently, so we're not a corp full of guys that need or want that kind of structure. However, this can mean - as in this case - that the first response you receive is not necessarily authoritative or indicative of any kind of consensus.

I suspect that Canibal, not unreasonably, was keen to get his battleship out of the belt with an enemy fleet nearby. If I had a little more situational awareness, I could have recommended that the others warp to a safe while I sort out a ransom/release. That way, only my ship was in any danger of being blobbed.

This should have been a fight that I was proud of, soloing a Caracal. Instead, it's a fight that I deeply regret; my coms performance was poor and my situational awareness was nil.

We are not a corp that drops gangs with battleship support on noobs in cruisers. Except when I screw up, apparently.

I can't change what happened, but I can try and make sure it does not happen again.


  1. At least he wasn't in a slasher. :)

  2. Judging from the fit, odds are he would not have had much ISK for a ransom.
    Canibal made the correct call, you don't want to linger on a belt in a hostile system. Aeschee is especially bad as Spirit of Draconis live there.
    Don't beat yourself up over it.

  3. Definitely don't be discouraged Tau; I've flown with you a bunch over the past week and I think you've done great.

    I'm always going to say ransom! because I love the isk. It's more risk put on sure but with prop mods off and close d-scan running you can be out of the belt in time before the other fleet can even land.

    As you said, we don't operate on heirarchy - Cannibal said one thing, myself another; you have a say too. If you want to pod him - sure thing. If there's no fleet commander then there's no one in charge.

    Keep it up.