Monday 13 June 2011

Vengeance v cyno ships (and station guns)


The fit:

4 Rocket Launcher II

Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Small Armor Repair System II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Small Anti-Thermal  Pump
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

This is my basic Vengeance fit. Without high Assault Ship skills I need the capacitor control circuit to keep the repper running for a goodly time, but I would be tempted to switch it for a damage rig if I decide to invest heavily in the Vengeance.


The hunt:

One of the first things I wanted to do was test the Vengeance's legendary tank. Granted, I only had Assault Ships III,  but I had heard very good things about what this ship was capable of.

As a frigate pilot, one of the most frustrating things about low sec is the way I am forced to ignore targets that are sitting within range of gate or station guns. Given enough time, I can try and bump them out of range, but this is a very tedious experience, and all that effort can be wasted if the afk pilot returns to his computer (or a larger hunter appears to steal the kill).

The Vengeance, I hoped, could overcome this little problem. I therefore decided, with some trepidation, to run a test attack on a cyno ship.

Essentially, I jumped in on a cyno frigate, immedately pointed them, and overheated my guns. While I was shooting at them, and getting shot at by the station guns, I overheated my repair system and aligned to a celestial. As soon as the cyno ship popped, I warped out.

Actually, this seemed to work very well. I didn't even dip into structure.


Afterthoughts:

I am very impressed by the Vengeance's tank. With maxed skills, I would be willing to try going for the pod as well as the ship, and also trying to grab the cyno beacon. With my skills, that's simply out of the question. Being able to pick up those cyno beacons, though, would be a nice little source of extra income.

The Vengeance also seems to be sitting in a size/tank sweet spot. I can get in, tank the gate guns, and get out before the carrier can even lock me. I wouldn't want to try the same thing in a cruiser.

7 comments:

  1. While I've found the Vengeance to have a great tank (I typically call mine, "Die Hard for Jesus"), they are extremely slow. That makes target selection harder, at least for me. I look forward to reading journal entries you write with the Vengeance going up against more mobile targets.

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  2. The Wolf can be fit in a similar way, and it's amazing what kind of tank those two assault frigates can put out. I was able to get almost 10k EHP out of the Wolf, how much were you able to get out of the Vengeance?

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  3. Actually, the vengeance can get about 20k with a passive tank! The wolf isn't even in the same league (also consider the wolf's massive EXP/KIN hole compared to the vengeance's balanced resists).

    On the other hand, the wolf puts out about twice the dps too...

    As far as the vengeance goes - yeah, the tank is incredible. I expect for lowsec it's an excellent ship. You can actually dual-rep fit it (requires swapping the web for a cap booster) and tank about 400 dps overheated!

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  4. I fly the dual rep fit, looks like this:

    [Vengeance, New Setup 1]
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II

    Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150
    Warp Scrambler II
    1MN Afterburner II

    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket

    Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
    Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

    While the above poster has slightly overestimated it's abilities, (282 dps omni-dmg tank with both reps overheated and all lvl5s)it's still by far one of the most tanky frigates in the game.

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  5. One thing about the Vengeance is that it really pays to get a c-type small repper. The extra boost is quite significant and the cost is only around 4-million or so. I hate bling but in this case I think it makes sense. Overheated it will provide nearly as much rep as the dual-rep setup yet sill allows for a webber.

    [Vengeance, New Setup 1]
    Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Damage Control II

    Stasis Webifier II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    1MN Afterburner II

    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket

    Small Anti-Thermic Pump I
    Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

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  6. Whoops.... accidentally put on two webbers on the above fit. Swap one for a scram and you are good.

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  7. Hmm.. I may have to look into that Toterra :)

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